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Aug 13, 2009 08:23 AM

Hi Everyone,

First let me tell you a bit about me and my company, (well I wish it was my company, unfortunately I am but a humble employee who loves their job), I work for a large IT company in N.Ireland and we supply IT services (Hardware, software, support, security you name it, we do it) to every School in N.Ireland as well as some schools in England. My role is as a Solutions Development and Implementation specialist. (Sounds fancy, but i'm really only learning!)

Anyway more about Symantec's role in our organisation. As you can imagine securing a managed network which supports one of the largest ADs in Europe is no mean feat in itself, however what happens when unruly pupils (Sorry about my generalisation! i myself was once an unruly pupil and somewhat expect every school going teenager to be just like me, which i'm sure isn't the case) bring Linux, MAC and Windows based notebooks and netbooks to school, fully loaded with malware, filesharing tools, 1337 haxing tools (Sorry just trying to get down with the language of kids these days) and undesirables and let them unlesh these evil devices onto the network?

"Tell them to keep their devices at home and off my network!" was my response. Unfortunately this didn't go down too well at all.

Now i've finished my ranting and blatent stereotyping of the youth of today, I will tell you what we did.

We researched, investigated, held meeting after meeting to see what we could do to allow integration of unmanaged and potentially dangerous devices onto our managed network. Having already had a SEP 11 infrastructure in place it soon became clear the smartest, and most obvious route to take was to employ SNAC, and we did this in two ways, and for reasons which I will explain.

As our clients are educational institutions it was clear cost was always going to be a contributing factor. Ideally having a 6100 Enforcer appliance in each school would have been ideal, however this was not feasible in the 1000+ school networks which we needed to secure. Symantec helped us by suggesting the use of Symantec NAC for Microsoft DHCP servers which could be installed on each DHCP server, drastically reducing costs. AH I hear you say, but what about all those Linux devices and Mac Devices (Everyone knows all the coolest people use Macs, well that's what my web designer brother tells me anyway). With our current infrasctucture  it was explained, by Symantec, we could have one centrally located Enforcer appliance to handle Macs and Linux devices. And that we did.

Problem Solved!

Now we have the potential for some seriously happy kids, who can bring their latest devices to schools all across the country, they can access their work stored on our managed networks and during our pilot schemes to 2 schools, teachers have told us this has already produced more productive classes, all the while our network and security team are happy as they can now monitor what was once a rogue device which caused panic, and can restrict what pupils can do on our network while not having to make any changes to the pupils devices.

We have implemented all this with no down time on our machines and no disruptions to any of the schools we have piloted.

All along this design and implementation we have had constant support from Symantec. Top notch quality service, without sounding too much like an advertisement, I am genuinely thrilled to see this work. It shows a complete shift in the learning environment and SNAC makes it all possible. Before now it has been impossible to allow such devices on the network, simply due to security issues, but now we can fully monitor everything that happens on our network and can allow pupils to learn and access their own material via machines and devices they are happy with and are not shoehorned into using specific devices or having major changes made to their own personal property.

Symantec was the best choice for us as it simply just works. It does exactly what it says it does. And the massive backup support we had from tech support, and all you guys on the forums made the choice even easier. Particular people at Symantec (You know who you are) have been more than helpful along the way, giving us remote desktop support and the confidence to go on with the project knowing if any hitches did arise the support was there if we needed it.

I can't say that the Symantec software and hardware we employed has made me more succesful (although I have learned a lot about computer security along the way and used technologies that I wouldn't other wise had access to), but the change it has made in the pupils lives are what we have done it for. And as far as I am concerned that is a great success, and I look forward to a country wide roll out come September time.

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Sep 25, 2009 07:01 AM

nice blog on snac

Aug 17, 2009 03:51 AM

Sorry Nel, what do you mean on Stream?

Thanks

Aug 15, 2009 11:27 AM

Do you have any information on Stream?
It is booming here in the Philippines also..
Thanks...

Aug 15, 2009 04:37 AM

Work in Northen Ireland is great, though I have been very lucky i'm working for an excellent company. The IT industry is going great here, we seem to be embracing new technology faster than ever, over the past few months even I have seen things go up a gear new companies seem to be appearing, so things seem to be on the up, even in the current climate!

It's good to see.

Aug 14, 2009 07:23 PM

Nice work Paul...
Good to see more and more peolple loving their job...
By the way, how is work in North Ireland...
How is the IT industry booming there?
thanks...

Aug 14, 2009 07:21 AM

Yeah the DHCP Enforcer on Microsoft DHCP servers worked a treat. All credit to our system architects.

Aug 13, 2009 12:41 PM

I appreciate everyone sharing their opinions, but I've had to edit a few posts within this thread - let's keep the discussion on subject.


Thanks all,

Eric

Aug 13, 2009 11:17 AM

I have some quite good documentation for each step of the process I have created as well, although at the minute it's all company branded! i'll try and clear it with the powers above and see if i can post it. May be useful for others.

I'll add in possible pitfalls and all the small glitches we had along the way. (All glitches we had were pretty much configuration errors on my part though! But hey if i made them, there is the chance someone else may as well.)

Aug 13, 2009 09:51 AM

Even Einstein caught flack from friends and family for being different.......thinking differently.
You are in good company if you catch heck!  ;-)

Aug 13, 2009 09:47 AM

@Abhishek, Hehe ok! i thought you didn't want it to be searchable on the forum lol, don't want you to be discriminitad against by your colleagues!

Aug 13, 2009 09:28 AM

@ Paul: Oh no. I meant my post, not yours. haha, this is a free and Democratic forum, ye can post all ye want. Just that some of me real good friends and colleagues from MS wont be pleased with me, they'll give me dirty looks for some days, and then it'll pass.

Coz there's no patch for Human stoopidity some wise 1 said at one point in time, and how Wise he was..... :D

Cheers.

Aug 13, 2009 09:25 AM

Oh!, sorry about that just editied my post, i'll try to be more careful in the future Abhishek!

Aug 13, 2009 09:21 AM

@ Paul: did unotice how I'd spelled C!sC0 ? hehehehe, i knw that it has issues, but better that my belief was reinforced. Hopefully no 1 from my company will see this and hopefully I wont get a reprimand via email.....hahahahaha :P

Aug 13, 2009 09:17 AM

Good one Paul.
A correct consultancy makes the way in favor of u. SNAC is really a good solution for MS DHCP server

 

Aug 13, 2009 09:12 AM

@ShadowsPapa: I hear you! And know how utterly frustrated you might be.

Any chance you can try to implement Windows NAP on a Server 2008 box in tandem with the C!sC0 :P NAC? I've found that they work great together, maybe why MS initially started offering the C!sC0 NAC devices as a commendable solution when customers started implementing NAP.

Personally, I find SNAC very good.

Aug 13, 2009 09:05 AM

LOL, sorry, had to chuckle at this bit:
>>I think it's a much better piece of kit then even we had envisioned during the development stages and so far I have had only good responses.<<

I'd call our CISCO NAC something other than what you just called SNAC.
It's a nightmare!

I REALLY wish I'd been able to talk them into SNAC, but alas, they bought the Cisco system just before I was even notified that SEP existed, which was months after it was released. Sorry, Symantec - I've signed up for everything I can sign up for and still don't get notices of anything, product, changes, updates/upgrades, etc. - I have to find out months later in forums.............
So we are stuck with Cisco - folks, don't make the same mistakes we did!

I'm very glad to see this story here - it's great, one of those "gee, it works as designed" things!
We're on our second contractor TRYING to make Cisco's nac work, however, and he's way over his budgeted time and $$ and is almost at a loss.

Aug 13, 2009 09:03 AM

Thats really great...a combination of security to overcome all your security needs from just one source-- Symantec..

Aug 13, 2009 08:59 AM

Thanks very much for the response, it's great to see someone appreciates it! I was very pleased with SNAC so thought it would be worth writing a bit. Everything is going really well, and actually as we speak i'm working on the enforcer appliance!

I think it's a much better piece of kit then even we had envisioned during the development stages and so far I have had only good responses. I gave a demonstration of some new features we want to employ (application restrictions using checksums) to some of our clients yesterday and they had nothing but good to say.

Very pleased, and thanks again for your comment.

Aug 13, 2009 08:47 AM

@ Paul:

I think this would go down in the annals of IT Security history as the first publicly docuemnted story of SNAC in action! :)

In all my time @ symantec, I never ever got to work on a Hardware Enforcer, but I did perform 5 implementations of the Software version in some real big organizations, and that was a real big eye opener for me too.

Cheers, and a thumbs up for you mate!

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